Mining isn't the base of the Eve economy.

miners are scum

Miners just need to smarten up, it really isnt hard. Corp mining ops anyone? Have a repping BS sit with you, make it cap stable and you dont even have to watch it. You dont even need expensive ships use T1 logi cruisers.

I think what people are complaining about is that it isnt safe to solo afk mine. This is true. If your not afk and you see a combat ship warp in close or approach you, then warp off. But if you are in groups then how hard would it be for 10 hulks to be solidly repped by two or three t1 logi cruisers or a couple of 8 hislot BSs?

Dont whine, adapt, make the people who prey on you sad, make them quit suicide ganking because YOU made them stop not because you cried until CCP changed the rules. I know which I would feel better about.

It is an MMO, if you work in teams you will survive, adapt, be stronger than your opposition. How sad would they be if your 10 Hulks were defended by a pair of cap stable perma armour repping Domi's with heavy shield repping drones prelaunched and running on everyone? Fit a DC 2 and a plate, make those hulks hard. Carry shield or armour repping drones and have them perma repping a buddy, now you are solidly spider tanked and your hulks are near invulnerable. What if you also had an insta locking Cane with you, their suicided ship now also results in a player involved lossmail, and we all know how we value our stats...

Quitting is for quitters, be smarter than your enemy.

This is only viable on paper.
Nobody, NOBODY will waste his time or effort to put up a defense fleet like that. It's just not worth it and not worth the bother.

Plus you are talking to the poorest, newbies, lowest level layer of players in game, that is exactly those who don't know about this stuff, don't have the time for this stuff, don't have the money for this stuff.

Don't go to Nigeria to teach how good is having an iPad. They can't even afford to eat.

Also, the income is so awfully BAD that all this plating this plating that get Orca here get repping Domi there just won't happen. They get 5M per hour (ice) with all out thin tank and maximum yield and can play for 2h a day yet you suggest a months long investment plan?

There is only one solution and it's to go farm incursions. It's the new purple level.

Those who can't? We did not want those new players anyway.

[I have, in high, low, and now run mining ops in null, and Rico knows what he is saying. Every word is true(tho the shield drones would be countered with smartbombs).

You are willfully ignorant, and most never going to succeed in this game if you don't get smart.

HTFU or contract me your stuff.

Sorry, but why the hell would anyone mine when there are more interesting and less risky ways to make ISK?

Not just T3, Kid.

Math off any ship or module in EVE. It's not even strategic sales where you sell the ship at cost and bleed them on the modules. Everything in the game is priced below its mineral value. Manufacturing in EVE is bankrupt. Sell the minerals, you make more ISK.

Wait, so actual human beings actually do the exact same process 24/7 without going insane?

The reason why there is a lack of (human) miners is because of the following.

1. Mining is boring as hell, anyone who could possibly find the process of undock, shoot rock, do nothing but watch, dock up and repeat constantly probably needs their sanity checked. I heard some people mine because you can do multiple things while you mine like sell and buy on markets, manage PI, science industry etc. But I cannot believe how people just mine and nothing else. Normal people tend to realize what the hell they are doing, the others are either playing from the insane asylum or are bots.

2. Mining is irrelevant to EVE in the grand scheme of themes. Most minerals are obtained from missions or reprocessing old ships and modules.

3. Mining has little to offer. After a year or two you'll be able to fly every mining ship in EVE and they all perform the same basic function. As a result a dedicated miner can get bored of the game very quickly. The end game ship for a miner is the Orca. You could make an argument for the Rorqual but miners don't like working with others or taking risk and the ship requires you to work with others and take risks (venturing into low/null/wh).

Also the base of the EVE economy are not the miners. Do you know what would happen should all forms PVP be taken out of the game? Mining would be worthless because the number one reason for industry is the fact that people lose ships. Most people lose ships from engaging in PVP, voluntarily or involuntarily (if you don't like that EVE isn't for you). Without ships being lose as often miners would be worthless.

The base of any economy are the customers. If there are no customers there is no demand. If there is no demand there is no economy.

Well, that depends on a couple of overall factors. I can really only speak about T3 production since it's the only production that I've examined in depth. My information is now old since the market was so bad then I've not had any reason to believe it would improve significantly.

You guys got your no insurance plan deal from CCP.. Yet you still whine?

The problem is that the average PvP'er is literally too dumb to live, also.